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 Post subject: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:50 pm 
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Long story short - I was changing the plugs on my M3 this afternoon and noticed that part of the tip of the rubber boot for cylinder #6 (in the back) had broken off. I tried fishing it out with a long screwdriver, but...failed.

I'm going to try using my shop vac, some vacuum hose, and a whole lotta duct tape to see if I can get the piece out of the engine. If that doesn't work, I guess I could try cranking the engine with no plug and see what happens, but with my luck today, the piece of rubber would end up damaging a valve.

My wife is due in about three weeks with our first kid, so major automotive catastrophe is not exactly an option. Any helpful suggestions greatly appreciated!

Tom

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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:42 pm 
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flashlight, little grabber thing (like the claw in the coin opperated games). The shop vac may work, but if there is gas......it may burn in the motor of the vac.

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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:29 pm 
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mattg wrote:
flashlight, little grabber thing (like the claw in the coin opperated games).


I haven't really been able to see down into the cylinder thanks to the angle. Although I'm sure I will be looking many more times....

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The shop vac may work, but if there is gas......it may burn in the motor of the vac.


Hadn't considered that! :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:11 pm 
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See if you can borrow a boroscope to peek down in the cylinder before you spend too much time figuring out how to get it out-it may not even be in there. It would have to be a pretty small piece to go down the plug hole.
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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:00 pm 
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drken wrote:
See if you can borrow a boroscope to peek down in the cylinder before you spend too much time figuring out how to get it out-it may not even be in there. It would have to be a pretty small piece to go down the plug hole.
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Good luck!

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Well...I did see it. Then tried to coax it out with a screwdriver. And then it wasn't there anymore. A combination of my usual bad luck and automotive mad skillz point to it probably being in the cylinder. Peering down into the hole, I can see that there's a fair amount of carbon buildup on the piston, but no rubber pieces.

In my desperation, I did try the rubber hose and the manual method. It didn't work, but I now know what the inside of my engine tastes like. Yuck!

Also tonight, I failed at replacing a headlight on my wife's Civic. I guess I should turn my man card in right now and go join the Tsing Tao Club of America.

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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:03 am 
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gimlet wrote:
I guess I should turn my man card in right now and go join the Tsing Tao Club of America.


LOL....hang in there! Sometimes a day away from it clears your mind and brings a new solution!

I'm not visualizing size of the rubber piece very well, but, in the back of my mind I'm thinking.....rubber....petroleum....fire....steel.....no more rubber piece. It would most likely burn off.

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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:08 am 
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If it is still in there you may want to try a keyboard vac:

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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:47 am 
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Hey guys,

I shot my tale of woe to Mike Miller last night, and he replied back already, saying that a piece of metal would be a problem, but rubber will just burn up in the cylinder. He chastised me for not blowing the area clear with my compressor, and said that blowing myself up with a shop vac is not a concern. Good to know!

Guess I'll give it a shot tonight!

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 Post subject: Re: Piece of spark plug boot broke off and fell into cylinder
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Well I couldn't wait, went home at lunch and got the last spark plug in. Started up, no fuss, no muss and purred like a kitten. Whew!

Thanks to everyone for suggestions!

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